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Powerstroke73L Champion Author Sacramento Posts:2,816 Points:731,150 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2011 5:55:55 PM Ignore Powerstroke73L Report Abuse A little bit of news the MSM doesn't seem to have wanted to talk about... -- "If Michael Crichton had lived to write a follow-up to State of Fear, the plotline might well have gone like this: at a top secret, state of the art laboratory in Switzerland, scientists finally discover the true cause of "global warming". It's the sun, stupid. More specifically – as the Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark has long postulated – it's the result of cosmic rays which act as a seed for cloud formation." It's the sun, stupid.

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A little bit of news the MSM doesn't seem to have wanted to talk about...
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"If Michael Crichton had lived to write a follow-up to State of Fear, the plotline might well have gone like this: at a top secret, state of the art laboratory in Switzerland, scientists finally discover the true cause of "global warming". It's the sun, stupid. More specifically – as the Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark has long postulated – it's the result of cosmic rays which act as a seed for cloud formation."

It's the sun, stupid.

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Panama19 Champion Author Louisville Posts:25,289 Points:2,543,310 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jan 7, 2012 11:00:29 AM Ignore Panama19 Report Abuse I did see that, and it is a good one.
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,024 Points:2,357,895 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jan 6, 2012 12:30:31 AM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse Yeah, to the AGW panic crowd, fanaticism is a requirement. Clearly, fanaticism is the goal, and AGW is merely the justification. Did you see this news item? It's a good one.
Panama19 Champion Author Louisville Posts:25,289 Points:2,543,310 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2012 10:31:05 PM Ignore Panama19 Report Abuse Figures. The irony is that he accepts the AGW theory without criticism and the AGW community is intolerant of his rational application of the theory. The video in my link below is a bit long but in it he covers his position in fair detail. The nature of his opponents' thinking is clear in the question and answer session at the end. This just goes to show that the AGW crowd is ideological and political to the core, and has no room for either open debate or rational thought. In other words, they are liberals. Ideology and fanaticism trump truth with that crowd. [Edited by: Panama19 at 1/5/2012 11:35:13 PM EST]
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,024 Points:2,357,895 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2012 1:13:49 PM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse Panama19, I haven't read Lomborg's book, but I saw a TV show on him, and my understanding is that he feels that AGW is real, but only a minor nuisance, and this infuriated many in the AGW camp to the point that his career was destroyed over political correctness. Income from his writing is a compensation, but he's an academic and wants that life, which is denied him because his views don't match the AGW panic mongers.
Panama19 Champion Author Louisville Posts:25,289 Points:2,543,310 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2012 8:21:11 AM Ignore Panama19 Report Abuse ldheinz, I believe that Lomborg does not dispute the AGW argument, but instead compares the consequences of climate warming with the costs of the AGW crowd recommendations to fight it. See Cool it. His point seems to be that the money would be more effectively spent directly on the problems introduced by climate warming rather than on the futile efforts to moderate the warming itself. I believe that he is right with respect to costs, but wrong to accept the AGW theory at face value. This is to be expected however, as Lomborg is an economist skilled in game theory rather than a climate scientist informed on the underlying science of climate change. I haven't yet read this book, but I intend to read it shortly.
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,024 Points:2,357,895 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jan 3, 2012 11:35:01 AM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse oilpan4 - "Yeah it is the largest WMD in the solar system. " And it's NUCLEAR powered, even!
oilpan4 Champion Author Virginia Posts:12,047 Points:306,700 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jan 3, 2012 11:02:03 AM Ignore oilpan4 Report Abuse "Hey! That sun thing is dangerous. Let's outlaw it"! Yeah it is the largest WMD in the solar system.
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,024 Points:2,357,895 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jan 3, 2012 12:40:49 AM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse This book has been getting a lot of press as well.
ldheinz Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,024 Points:2,357,895 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jan 3, 2012 12:38:13 AM Ignore ldheinz Report Abuse Hey! That sun thing is dangerous. Let's outlaw it!
Panama19 Champion Author Louisville Posts:25,289 Points:2,543,310 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jan 2, 2012 6:31:07 PM Ignore Panama19 Report Abuse If anyone is interested in a comprehensive treatment of the science and the theory of climate change driven by cosmic rays, see The Chilling Stars: A Cosmic View of Climate Change by Henrik Svensmark and Nigel Calder. This is the best presentation of the subject that I have ever seen. [Edited by: Panama19 at 1/2/2012 7:34:28 PM EST]
mudtoe Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:9,502 Points:1,288,385 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jan 2, 2012 1:41:52 PM Ignore mudtoe Report Abuse Yup, this will not get much press outside Drudge, and maybe Fox News. However, the fact that it saw the light of day at all is a sign that the warmers' strangle hold on the publication of results which don't agree with their agenda is slipping. I don't know for sure if this theory is correct, but the one thing I am certain of is that the proponents of AGW have no interest at all in science or saving the planet, but have every interest in money and political power. mudtoe
oilpan4 Champion Author Virginia Posts:12,047 Points:306,700 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Sep 30, 2011 1:15:37 PM Ignore oilpan4 Report Abuse The AGW house of cards is actively falling right now. The only true believer left have taken refuge at dailykos and mediamatters.