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movrshakr Champion Author Florida Posts:1,323 Points:1,450,325 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 10:22:18 AM Ignore movrshakr Report Abuse . What will be the unintended consequences of switching the country to electric autos?

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What will be the unintended consequences of switching the country to electric autos?

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pathygen95 Rookie Author Los Angeles Posts:57 Points:15,510 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 5:10:53 PM Ignore pathygen95 Report Abuse When parts of the Power Grid go down, affected electric car owners won't be able to charge their vehicles. Also I'm not sure how they do in a high-water event like a flood, do they short out beyond repair? And also free Charging station use at McDonalds, When you SuperSize your order. [Edited by: pathygen95 at 11/30/2012 6:17:08 PM EST]
RS_Deluxe Rookie Author North Carolina Posts:87 Points:30,055 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 4:48:54 PM Ignore RS_Deluxe Report Abuse IMO the government will deregulate the Electric Energy Producers so that the suppliers will be able to raise prices without government interference. That will generate enough revenue that it will make up for all the energy not being consumed my US manufacturers exodus to cheaper markets. We the US citizens will keep the CEOs and stock owners happy by paying or going off the grid. Don't worry be happy. :)
Houckster Champion Author Atlanta Posts:9,346 Points:693,480 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 4:08:18 PM Ignore Houckster Report Abuse MOVRSHAKR writes: Do you think he cares about the expense to us? I don't. In fact I think he wants it to cost more. Why do I think that? BECAUSE HE SAID SO. But some of you voted him back in. Good grief. You do realize we put our head in the guillotine then reached over and cut the holding rope. But everything is OK so far. I hear some sliding kind of noise, but I feel fine. _____ Honestly, one of the biggest reasons that Mr. Obama was returned to office was that Mr. Romney wasn't believable. He was willing to say anything to get elected while Mr. Obama was relatively stable in his claims. I never vote for people I don't feel I can trust. Secondly, name one thing that Mr. Obama has done to raise the price of gas. You can't because he hasn't done anything. On the other hand by aggressively pushing for CAFE, Obama and Democrats are trying to keep the fuel cost per mile down while saving pollution and reducing our dependence on foreign oil. Republicans just don't understand reality. Does Mr. Obama want gas to cost more? That's not really the question but already if we figure the real cost of a gallon of gas, it's somewhere in the area of $8-11. What he expects is that the price of gasoline will continue to climb as competition for available oil and gas increases. He really doesn't need to do anything but wait. As for electric, there's a lot of work to be done both in terms of technology and infrastructure but eventually, advances will make electric cost-competitive with gas. Even now, electric cars have enough range to serve the vast majority of commuting needs and that could save billions of gallons a year. As for the claim that electric is created from coal and other fossil fuels, that doesn't have to be the case if we make the commitment to produce more electricity from wind and solar. So what are the unintended consequences? Maybe one is that the conservative naysayers will find out that they've been wrong all along. [Edited by: Houckster at 11/30/2012 5:13:14 PM EST]
movrshakr Champion Author Florida Posts:1,323 Points:1,450,325 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:40:51 AM Ignore movrshakr Report Abuse . Do you think he cares about the expense to us? I don't. In fact I think he wants it to cost more. Why do I think that? BECAUSE HE SAID SO. But some of you voted him back in. Good grief. You do realize we put our head in the guillotine then reached over and cut the holding rope. But everything is OK so far. I hear some sliding kind of noise, but I feel fine. [Edited by: movrshakr at 11/30/2012 12:42:09 PM EST]
greydog13 Veteran Author Iowa Posts:273 Points:494,040 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Nov 29, 2012 11:27:40 PM Ignore greydog13 Report Abuse More electricity would need to be generated, however the current administration does not seem to be a supporter of coal plants that produce the power. If that continues we would nee to convert power plants to natural gas or build new plants. More expense involved. How do those people and companies that need to be on the road-sales people, those who transport goods & materials, vacationers, police and fire vehicles, etc, get down the road in a realistic way?
MrDeath666 Champion Author Houston Posts:1,626 Points:245,390 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Nov 13, 2012 3:17:49 PM Ignore MrDeath666 Report Abuse Just a lot of wasted money!
Crapulent Sophomore Author Mississippi Posts:201 Points:54,200 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Oct 23, 2012 12:21:52 AM Ignore Crapulent Report Abuse A reality check, because "switching the country to electric cars" is never going to happen. It cannot happen. EV cars are by design for the short, local commutes which make up most of our driving, but it certainly doesn't make up all of it. Some type of fuel-refreshable energy source will always be needed as long as we insist on a mobile society. The role of the EV is to replace the daily commute to work or errands, the stuff that makes up maybe 80 percent of our driving. Cut the consumption of auto fuel by 80 percent and you've made a dramatic change, if not a revolution.
ayscfr Veteran Author North Carolina Posts:371 Points:173,300 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Oct 22, 2012 11:47:49 PM Ignore ayscfr Report Abuse need a more reliable grid system
Buddy2264 Champion Author Tampa Posts:11,664 Points:2,361,920 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Oct 22, 2012 11:27:41 PM Ignore Buddy2264 Report Abuse We will need a smarter grid and better generation and lines. Then we can use the stored electric when not in use. It might in time be a win win.
movrshakr Champion Author Florida Posts:1,323 Points:1,450,325 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Oct 22, 2012 7:58:12 PM Ignore movrshakr Report Abuse . Yep, the only reason moving to all electric will be difficult is because people will oppose it. There are no practical reasons whatsoever that would make it hard--only that powerful interests will oppose it. For example, it is easy to create all the electricity, cleanly, that an entire nation of electrics will require. And it is easy to distribute that to where it is needed. And it is easy to build all the charging stations that will be needed. And it will be easy to make your "fill up" stop while traveling only take five minutes. Yep, the only reason it will be hard is because certain people will oppose it.
lolhahaha Sophomore Author San Diego Posts:111 Points:13,760 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Oct 21, 2012 3:33:02 AM Ignore lolhahaha Report Abuse Outrageous fees for the disposal of these vehicles because of the hazardous material that the batteries will be. Once these are the majority of vehicles the "green" people will then turn on them because Solar or Wind powered vehicles are so much more clean, even if impossible to implement.
Houckster Champion Author Atlanta Posts:9,346 Points:693,480 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Oct 20, 2012 4:30:20 PM Ignore Houckster Report Abuse The consequences of moving to electric cars will be overwhelmingly positive if we can properly manage the crossover. That will be difficult because there are powerful interests in this country who have no interest in the country's welfare because their goal is profit and they will fight any threat to their goal. They will not care about jobs returning to the US and they won't care about almost entirely eliminating the trade deficit. Real Americans will support the conversion as long as it is done properly.
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,127 Points:1,824,075 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Oct 20, 2012 8:59:15 AM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse more gas available for rest of drivers!
bluenvoy Champion Author Nashville Posts:14,985 Points:1,877,865 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Oct 20, 2012 8:59:03 AM Ignore bluenvoy Report Abuse Let's see. Spiking electric rates and brownouts.
_Sparty_ Champion Author Chicago Posts:2,016 Points:692,015 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Oct 20, 2012 8:39:35 AM Ignore _Sparty_ Report Abuse Long trips may not be possible without significant delays, unless a fast charge technology is developed.
the1roadhog Champion Author Atlanta Posts:9,913 Points:2,057,655 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Oct 20, 2012 5:00:15 AM Ignore the1roadhog Report Abuse Overloading the grid
J Eric Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:10,282 Points:2,073,005 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Oct 19, 2012 10:59:22 PM Ignore J Eric Report Abuse Shocking results?
BUSSY Champion Author Dallas Posts:9,912 Points:1,542,465 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 5:35:55 PM Ignore BUSSY Report Abuse Wrong forum.
PatAZ Champion Author Tucson Posts:9,251 Points:122,420 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 4:49:51 PM Ignore PatAZ Report Abuse It probably won't happen.
movrshakr Champion Author Florida Posts:1,323 Points:1,450,325 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 2:52:37 PM Ignore movrshakr Report Abuse . "rates will go up " No, that is an INTENDED consequence of Obama. He said so openly.
jrferrari All-Star Author Orlando Posts:652 Points:172,590 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 8:35:06 AM Ignore jrferrari Report Abuse More demand for energy (I would think that electric cars are less efficient at converting energy) and larger and more power plants. The power plants will likely not be nuclear and will contribute more polution than the cars if they were gas powered.
2Tall Champion Author Maryland Posts:12,795 Points:2,943,330 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 8:17:28 AM Ignore 2Tall Report Abuse rates will go up
maddog768 Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,655 Points:248,630 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 12:50:06 PM Ignore maddog768 Report Abuse Demand for electricity will increase and rates will go up. As more and more people buy electrics, more power plants will be built and more carbon from fossil fuels for the power plants will cause more global warming and weird weather. Eventually the power grid will collapse, the electrics will sit with dead batteries and horses will be in high demand. Now is the time to invest in horse breeders.
alphanyr Champion Author Connecticut Posts:4,840 Points:677,700 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 12:12:46 PM Ignore alphanyr Report Abuse big question
gvan Champion Author Chicago Posts:21,547 Points:2,838,240 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 12:10:38 PM Ignore gvan Report Abuse "We will all pay higher utility bills in order to provide extra power for electric vehicles." But we will save thousands more in gas costs. However, it will be a long time before electric vehicles have an effect on electricity costs.
ayscfr Veteran Author North Carolina Posts:371 Points:173,300 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 11:55:18 PM Ignore ayscfr Report Abuse more electric generators
J Eric Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:10,282 Points:2,073,005 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:16:11 PM Ignore J Eric Report Abuse People tripping over power cords in their dimly-lit garages? You can't have a brightly-lit garage with The Car sucking down all the electrons.
Ernman Champion Author Orlando Posts:3,494 Points:981,940 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:51:50 PM Ignore Ernman Report Abuse Higher electricity prices,...paying taxes by the miles driven...
GBMAX Champion Author Phoenix Posts:4,659 Points:1,902,580 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Aug 23, 2012 6:51:04 PM Ignore GBMAX Report Abuse Electricity shortages; higher bills
valby Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:2,921 Points:429,115 Joined:Jan 2005	Message Posted: Aug 23, 2012 6:30:42 PM Ignore valby Report Abuse We will all pay higher utility bills in order to provide extra power for electric vehicles.
tnsher21 Rookie Author Tennessee Posts:43 Points:30,000 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Aug 23, 2012 6:00:03 PM Ignore tnsher21 Report Abuse Here's a shortcut for those of you who don't want to do your own research. Published November 30, 2011 in The Atlantic entitled "The Explosive Story That Could Burn Electric Cars"The Explosive Story That Could Burn Electric Cars
tnsher21 Rookie Author Tennessee Posts:43 Points:30,000 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Aug 23, 2012 5:54:12 PM Ignore tnsher21 Report Abuse Lithium batteries are superior to lead acid batteries but they have problems and are highly explosive and after they explode they nearly always start a fire. Don't take my word for it - Google it and see for yourself.
veloman Sophomore Author Connecticut Posts:196 Points:4,430 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Aug 23, 2012 1:27:09 PM Ignore veloman Report Abuse The real problem is that you are still using 3000lbs of machinery to move a ~180lb person most of the time. Batteries are easily recycled, and in fact, even the "dead" ones are still worth quite a bit of money since you can replace bad cells or reuse them for other lower power applications. So no, they won't all end up in land fills. But eh, at least the air wouldn't smell so polluted.
1OILMAN Champion Author Alabama Posts:2,080 Points:159,980 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Aug 23, 2012 1:03:32 PM Ignore 1OILMAN Report Abuse Never happen.
movrshakr Champion Author Florida Posts:1,323 Points:1,450,325 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Aug 23, 2012 11:50:57 AM Ignore movrshakr Report Abuse . There are no unintended consequences. The enviro group has thought all of this stuff out thoroughly, so everything will be fine. Trust me on this.
ayscfr Veteran Author North Carolina Posts:371 Points:173,300 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2012 3:17:38 PM Ignore ayscfr Report Abuse More nuclear plants for electricity
anthroMO Veteran Author St. Louis Posts:395 Points:116,540 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2012 3:11:45 PM Ignore anthroMO Report Abuse Electric company will not handle it. What will happen to the oil companies?
PithyOpiner Champion Author Stockton Posts:16,215 Points:1,598,520 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2012 1:15:13 PM Ignore PithyOpiner Report Abuse In a storm you will be hit by huge bolts of lightning and be burned to a crisp right there on the road. That will cause there to be abundant piles of ash everywhere. As soon as the storm passes and everything dries out, We'll be getting all these ashes blown all over the place. We'll have to wear those white masks like the Chinese and Japanese do.
GustheCat2 Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,856 Points:417,950 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2012 7:52:31 AM Ignore GustheCat2 Report Abuse Besides the increase in use of electricity, consider the disposal of all those batteries when cars are junked.
nichols Champion Author Halifax Posts:6,848 Points:1,832,915 Joined:Aug 2003	Message Posted: Aug 20, 2012 10:21:06 AM Ignore nichols Report Abuse used dead batteries everywhere
movrshakr Champion Author Florida Posts:1,323 Points:1,450,325 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Aug 20, 2012 10:05:27 AM Ignore movrshakr Report Abuse . It's a "one-percenter" car. Why are you leftists so in favor of it? Oh, it's YOUR one-percenters who buy it--with confiscated help from us of course. Hypocrites. [Edited by: movrshakr at 8/20/2012 11:07:11 AM EST]
MertieMan Champion Author Lexington Posts:14,798 Points:2,897,560 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Aug 20, 2012 9:33:13 AM Ignore MertieMan Report Abuse This is going to be years in the making, even if it ever happens.
hornet17 Champion Author Vancouver Posts:1,323 Points:440,865 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Aug 20, 2012 9:00:47 AM Ignore hornet17 Report Abuse Unless we upgrade our electrical grid we'll be looking at either electrical shortages (rolling blackouts) or purchasing it from someone who can sell it to us.
tattoo666TX Champion Author Texas Posts:2,567 Points:344,480 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Aug 19, 2012 10:48:47 PM Ignore tattoo666TX Report Abuse Lets see. The electric providers cannot handle the increase in use when it is hot outside and everyone has their a/c on. What do you think will happen if everyone got home from work at the same time and plugged their cars in?
geepy All-Star Author Long Island Posts:779 Points:521,595 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Aug 19, 2012 9:29:06 PM Ignore geepy Report Abuse the power grid will not sustain and focus even more power to monopolies
Michael29644 Champion Author Greenville Posts:4,974 Points:844,250 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Aug 19, 2012 7:05:57 PM Ignore Michael29644 Report Abuse A bunch of new websites based on finding the best electricity prices.
chemist74 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:13,510 Points:2,395,980 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Aug 19, 2012 12:53:06 PM Ignore chemist74 Report Abuse A lot of electric cars stuck along the road because they ran out of power and there are not many ways to "refuel" them.
Lilly02 Champion Author Rockford Posts:1,673 Points:526,790 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Aug 19, 2012 5:56:06 AM Ignore Lilly02 Report Abuse Natural Gas is the way to go!
nichols Champion Author Halifax Posts:6,848 Points:1,832,915 Joined:Aug 2003	Message Posted: Jun 26, 2012 4:18:47 PM Ignore nichols Report Abuse none it will not happen
teebone1234 Champion Author San Francisco Posts:1,707 Points:349,050 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Jun 26, 2012 12:01:23 PM Ignore teebone1234 Report Abuse higher electrical prices